Comments on Ambassador Watch: Exchange of Fire

Mr. Grace has posted new information on his web pa...

2006-12-23T09:56:00.000+13:00

Mr. Grace has posted new information on his web page and also anyone interested can hear Mr. Ames' sermon that he gave in Arkansas December 16 about Mr. Bryce and othe matters.

Anonymous: This blog is a very good source of inf...

2006-12-08T19:47:00.000+13:00

Anonymous:

This blog is a very good source of information. Personally, I find it perfectly natural to visit here to learn the very latest about all of the WCG splinter groups.

I did pick up on Dr. Meredith's intentions and meanings when he used the term "Armstrongism". Still, by some definitions of that term, many would also consider it to apply to LCG, despite the relative progressiveness of LCG. By contrast, there is no question that PCG or RCG are pure "Armstrongism", since they obviously place more emphasis on strict imitation of HWA than of Jesus!

I can't speak for other bloggers here, but I happen to be Christian Agnostic. This means that I have no idea whether God or Jesus exist, but the story and example of Jesus (even if fictional)provide some revolutionary examples of loving behavior, good ethics, and morality.

BB

to BB: I think he was casting the term "armstrongi...

2006-12-08T16:50:00.000+13:00

to BB:
I think he was casting the term "armstrongism" towards bryce's soon-to-be group, not classifying LCG as it.
re-read and think about it.

I must say, after reading all of these posts, they certainly smack with the brotherly love that everyone seems content to criticize LCG for not having. I really dont even know what this blog is, I only came to see the letters posted between the two ministers, so I cant rightly say that you guys arent acting christian if I dont know that you are christian or not.

oh well, thanks for the info.

I just got back from a business trip, during which...

2006-12-07T19:46:00.000+13:00

I just got back from a business trip, during which I had no access to the internet. Strangely, just last week, myself and some of my fellow "usual suspects" had gotten ourselves in trouble with some of the posters on a forum for using the term "Armstrongite" as a pejorative. Naturally, I found it hilarious to find that Rod Meredith apparently also considers this to be an appropriate descriptive term!

What's even stranger is the fact that I have come to the conclusion that his usage of this term is totally legitimate, in fact, just as legitimate as my own usage of it. In Dr. Meredith's case, I am sure that he sees himself as being progressive, and his own understanding as "growing". One can see and understand why he would consider persons or groups who actively seek to emulate HWA in every possible way as being Armstrongites! If one attempts to emulate Christ, that person is called a Christian. If one attempts to imitate HWA, he or she truly is an Armstrongite. It all relates to focus, personality cults, and the perceptiveness of the individual "follower"

BB

Greetings, to all the UNCONVERTED and GREAT UNWASH...

2006-12-07T15:50:00.000+13:00

Greetings, to all the UNCONVERTED and GREAT UNWASHED out there who have hardly heard of the name of DOCTOR WHO?

Ah the unanimity,the cohesiveness of Living,the outpouring of Christian love,the agape.Truly,they show by their actions they are indeed disciples.

What vision,what perspicuity,what profundity of understanding.How can we doubt their sincerity?

Did Rod ask for his usual seasonal present this year? I don't remember seeing it.Perhaps they gave him his bonus in advance.

All such as are of a liberal disposition should send their offerings to Ambassador Watch for onforwarding at a suitable date.Please add a $20 HANDLING FEE.

And may the BLESSINGS of this pagan season be with you,and whatever you do in it,doit with ALL YOUR MIGHT as the good book exhorts.

And may all your glasses be upraised for ROD,that champion of free-thinking.

Prosit
Jorgheinz

Gavin, I thought to wish all our cousins and bret...

2006-12-07T14:33:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

I thought to wish all our cousins and brethren in the splinter groups a MERRY YULETIDE SEASON.That is, until I received a missive from United.

United have asked me not to send any of my "spiritual" doggerel.I have FAILED badly in my attempts to show them that there is MORE in heaven and earth than they have dreamt of in their philosophy.

We notice a distinct lack of humour and other essential biological functions amongst the sobersides breakaways of COG. One gets the feeling they will only laugh when their respective Fuehrers say so.

They may detract from Xmas Day but it is just as much a sin to have a "substitute" for the same. RANK HYPOCRITES.

Oh well, back to,the rosary and consecrated wine.

Cheers,

Jorgheinz

Go, Gary, go! ;-)

2006-12-07T14:02:00.000+13:00

Go, Gary, go!

;-)

lil' john wrote, Dig deep :-) You can find Bob Thi...

2006-12-07T13:45:00.000+13:00

lil' john wrote, Dig deep :-) You can find Bob Thiel's comments under the section: News of Those Once Affiliated with the Global Church of God and not LCG news.

Ah -- that makes sense. I didn't think to look there since Bryce left the LCG. I looked at the other two main pages, but I didn't think Thiel would hide it like he did. Perhaps I'll call him out on it over at XCG...so he can respond on his site...

Gavin, When I read your latest, "Exchange of Fire...

2006-12-07T10:34:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

When I read your latest, "Exchange of Fire", I thought you had renamed the penultimate blog.But you hadn't. Phew!! Rhymes with Doctor Who??

Reverting to the wonderful and hallowed name,Armstrong,did not HWA write that it was derived from the French, "FORTINBRAS", sorry
FOR-TIN-BRAS....GTA would have been familiar with the latter orthographical arrangements.

Jorgheinz

Gavin, Congratulations to the "TEAM". The standa...

2006-12-07T10:21:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

Congratulations to the "TEAM".

The standard of CYNICISM is exceeding its normal DISGUSTING HIGH QUALITY. It must be something about the season, methinks.Goodwill to men (and women) and all that sort of wonderful beneficent philosophy.

Three cheers, sorry, THREE BEERS for Charles Bryce. In this matter he surely is the RIGHT CHARLIE.

Perhaps the LIVING church of God should be re-named the LOVING church of GOD.Look at all the fraternal love that is flowing right now from them.

SIN-CERELY
Jorgheinz

Gavin, I agree, there is nothing like a GOOD OLD...

2006-12-07T10:07:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

I agree, there is nothing like a
GOOD OLD STIR. Helps sort people out.

Whilst this may not be the place for it, I need some help to find a rhyming word. I intend having BREWERY as the last word in a line and I need a word to rhyme with it.

Can one of your kind bloggers help out.

Thanks awe-fully.

Jorgheinz

Oh! How many times did i sit and listen to Bryce c...

2006-12-07T09:29:00.000+13:00

Oh! How many times did i sit and listen to Bryce chuckle about how simple it would be for everyone if they would just follow church government. There just would not be all these problems and different churches etc.
Now it sounds like he is just like the rest of them before that could not get that very simple church government thingy.
Of course as written by others here on this blog, using a faulty measuring stick in the first place will always get you into trouble.
And yes Bryce gave one of his usual abrasive sermons when Terry Ratzman left and then came back a few weeks later to shoot those people in Wisconsin.
rod 2

Frankly, folks need to reread I Corinthians 3 (whi...

2006-12-07T06:37:00.000+13:00

Frankly, folks need to reread I Corinthians 3 (which also, last time I checked, doesn't mention HWA even once!).

1 Corinthians 3? What could possibly be of interest to us in that chapter?? Certainly not this:

"For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? For when one says, 'I follow Paul,' and another, 'I follow Apollos,' are you not mere men?"

Oh, but that doesn't apply to us in LCG, because we're not worldly, you see. We are following the one true leader that Jesus Christ is using to spearhead His Work! It's everybody else who declares "I am of Gerald" and "I am of Dave." They just don't get it!

So this scripture really applies to everyone else, when you understand. And so does this one:

"So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future -- all are yours, and you are of Christ and Christ is of God."

Waitaminute.

Why, that would mean -- naw. That would mean that church members don't really belong to Meredith or Flurry or Pack or any other leader! In fact, it would mean they belong to us!

Why, that's...

...that's... um...

...that's not what Mr. Armstrong taught. So it can't possibly be.

Whew. For a moment there, it looked like I might actually have to seriously question my worldview.

Here here!! You said exactly what I was thinking.

2006-12-07T06:12:00.000+13:00

Here here!! You said exactly what I was thinking.

Wasn't it a sermon by Charles Bryce that Terry Rat...

2006-12-07T04:32:00.000+13:00

Wasn't it a sermon by Charles Bryce that Terry Ratzmann was said to have walked out on the week before his murder spree in March of 2005?

It looks like a bunch of kids arguing who's most like HWA: "I am!" "No, you're not, I am!" "You're not, either; I am!" "I've got the 18 truths!" "Well, that's nothing, I've got Mystery of the Ages, so there!" "I spent more time with him than you did!" "Well, my Work's more like his than yours is!"

Who cares??!! Some of these folks criticize the Catholics for their deference to the Pope, but if they were Catholics, they would have canonized HWA and they'd be praying to him as St. Herbert Armstrong of Pasadena! Gimme a break!

Frankly, folks need to reread I Corinthians 3 (which also, last time I checked, doesn't mention HWA even once!).

For Christians, the Author and Finisher of our faith is Jesus Christ, not *any* man, dead or alive. Men -- and women -- can be helpers of our joy. Absolutely! But we should look *only* to God and not put any man -- or woman -- on a pedestal. All men have feet of clay. So why don't these folks quit using HWA as their standard and look to the true Standard: the stature of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4:13). He's the one they should try to emulate.

Gary Scott wrote: ...Thiel has not commented on th...

2006-12-07T01:36:00.000+13:00

Gary Scott wrote: ...Thiel has not commented on this. Wonder why he's holding back?

Dig deep :-)
You can find Bob Thiel's comments under the section: News of Those Once Affiliated with the Global Church of God and not LCG news.
He probably delayed comment since the letter was addressed to the ministry and not to the membership (or public). From what I've observed over the years, that would be consistent with his style of reporting COG news.

lj

Hey, Santa is bringing me just what I wanted for C...

2006-12-07T00:36:00.000+13:00

Hey, Santa is bringing me just what I wanted for Christmas -- more COG theatrics! First Pack announces 144k explanation, then this. What bounty.

It's interesting that, as far as I can tell, Thiel has not commented on this. Wonder why he's holding back?