Comments on Ambassador Watch: Ezra, Columbus, Milton & Mormons

"Circa 100 CE for ch. 3-14," So maybe p...

2009-07-14T11:41:13.791+12:00

"Circa 100 CE for ch. 3-14,"

So maybe parts of Exegesis of the Soul was cribbed from Ezra 4? (I don't much like the EG's translation, but it's the most complete one I can find online; I much prefer Barnstone and Meyer's.)

Armstrongite scatologists all love to claim that H...

2009-07-10T04:59:58.767+12:00

Armstrongite scatologists all love to claim that HWA did not copy anything from Mormonism, yet, the Pasadena college library was filled with Mormon books. The college subscribed to Ensign, New Era and other periodicals. They had an extensive collection of LP's of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. It had various books by LDS authors, including some on British Israelism.

Circa 100 CE for ch. 3-14, much later (maybe 300 C...

2009-07-09T11:55:05.991+12:00

Circa 100 CE for ch. 3-14, much later (maybe 300 CE) for 15-16, and the first 2 sometime after 100 CE. At least that's what the textbooks say.

38. Then I answered and said, "But, O sove...

2009-07-09T11:41:07.566+12:00

38. Then I answered and said, "But, O sovereign Lord, all of us also are full of ungodliness.

39. It is perhaps on account of us that the time of threshing is delayed for the righteous-- on account of the sins of those who inhabit the earth."

40. He answered me and said, "Go and ask a pregnant woman whether, when her nine months have been completed, her womb can keep the fetus within her any longer."

41. And I said, "No, lord, it cannot." He said to me, "In Hades the chambers of the souls are like the womb.

42. For just as a woman who is in labor makes haste to escape the pangs of birth, so also do these places hasten to give back those things that were committed to them from the beginning.

Very strong echoes of On the Exegesis of the Soul. (Or is it just me?)

What time-period is this text placed in roughly, Gavin? It reads in some places like Hellenized Judaica, and others like straight-up Valentinism.

FWIW, I get my NRSV courtesy The Unbound Bible. And the NRSV is the only translation I find that I have the highest tolerance levels for, when it comes to the canonicals and sort-of-canonicals.

"[21] For as the land is assigned to the fore...

2009-07-09T11:14:51.210+12:00

"[21] For as the land is assigned to the forest and the sea to its waves, so also those who dwell upon earth can understand only what is on the earth, and he who is above the heavens can understand what is above the height of the heavens."

I like this "chunk in the middle", 4 Ezra. I like it a lot.

Thumbs up on combining Otagosh and AW!

ahh...2 Esdras. I remember reading that book. It w...

2009-07-08T20:53:22.417+12:00

ahh...2 Esdras. I remember reading that book. It was in this Catholic version of the Good News Bible that happened to include the Apocrypha, and included 2 Esdras under some additional books.

My favorite part was the vision about the eagle. Very dramatic. That Empire of the Eagle would make a great storyline for a book...or something.