Comments on Ambassador Watch: LCG in trouble?

Roderick C. Meredith, a faithful servant of God, a...

2009-01-25T02:07:00.000+13:00

Roderick C. Meredith, a faithful servant of God, as was Herbert W. Armstrong, continues to chout out the warnings to the world in these, the end-times. All the signs are clearly to be seen by those whose eyes are opened and have understanding. Under the stewardship of Roderick C. Meredith and the Council of Elders, Jesus Christ - the eternal head, the chief cornerstone of the true Church, the eternal rock on which she is built, guides the faithful in doing the will of the Father. The true weekly Sabbath - the seventh day of the week - and all the Holy Days commanded to be kept FOREVER are being kept by those who are in the Living Church of God.

You all sound like a bunch of whining babies. Thi...

2008-11-01T19:05:00.000+13:00

You all sound like a bunch of whining babies. This is the problem with the COG's. You all stay so wrapped up in what everyone ELSE is doing wrong that you never look in the mirror. Maybe LCG should allow make-up, you know so that every gossiping woman out there would spend a little more time focusing on how to 'correct' themselves. Even if the 'correcting' method mentioned makes some look like whores, you know what I mean. Anyway, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and remember that your gossiping isn't any more Holy than what you think of as "wrong" actions of others. Your meddling is sickening.

Hopeful any godly women that read this last commen...

2007-12-11T18:43:00.000+13:00

Hopeful any godly women that read this last comment will not have taken offense to my tone

1 Tim 5:1313 And besides they learn to be idle, wa...

2007-12-11T18:40:00.000+13:00

1 Tim 5:13
13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not.

Prov 6:16&19
16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him...19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

if you think Paul only meant women and that this is taken out of context, then just think of your selves as gossiping women sowing discord among brethren

LCG in trouble? Ha. Who are you people? I just rec...

2007-10-31T08:59:00.000+13:00

LCG in trouble? Ha. Who are you people?
I just recently enjoyed the best Feast of my 30 year CoG experience with LCG in New Braunfels, Tx. Y'all need to get a life. It seems like you are way too anxious to find bad news. LCG is growing amazingly fast with more inquiries than they/we can keep up with. Who are you people?

LIVING CHURCH OF GOD MEMBERS ARE IN TRAINING NOW, ...

2007-10-21T15:46:00.000+13:00

LIVING CHURCH OF GOD MEMBERS ARE IN TRAINING NOW, AS THE CALLED OUT ONES FROM THIS PERVERTED WORLD.WE WILL SOON BE RULING UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF OUR SOON COMING KING, THE KING OF KINGS. INFACT NO ONE OTHER THAN THE LIVING JESUS CHRIST SHOULD BE CALLED KING.ALL WHO FAIL TO REPENT FOR THE BLATANT LIES AND HATEFUL COMMENTS WILL BE CONDEMNED BY THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. SUNDAY KEEPERS AND THE SABBATH BREAKERS WILL BE TAUGHT THE RIGHT WAY TO LIVE BY THOSE GOD HAS CALLED INTO HIS ETERNAL GLORY. DONT LET A STUPID INTERNET COMMENT COME EVEN CLOSE TO YOUR CROWN WHICH IS RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR YOU. HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD. AND CLING TO THE SOURCE' GOD.

Mr. Grace has posted more information concerning t...

2006-12-23T05:18:00.000+13:00

Mr. Grace has posted more information concerning the sabbath issue in LCG on his site.
http://www.poorboycomputers.com/ponder.html

Yes RCM is now well past his prime. His goal now i...

2006-12-14T10:33:00.000+13:00

Yes RCM is now well past his prime. His goal now is not the gospel but to achieve a higher income then his son. Watch and wait as they will ask for more income.

I thought that libro said it quite nicely. I gues...

2006-12-14T06:51:00.000+13:00

I thought that libro said it quite nicely. I guess if you don't want to hear what's written in the Bible because you didn't say it yourself, then that's a problem all its own.

Lol... it was a bit maudlin, wasn't it? Okay, I de...

2006-12-13T11:14:00.000+13:00

Lol... it was a bit maudlin, wasn't it? Okay, I deserve it -- and thanks for the good humor.

I'll just climb out of my confession booth now, and grab a mop to clean up the, uh, splaaa...

Libro, could you pour a little syrup on that sweet...

2006-12-13T07:38:00.000+13:00

Libro, could you pour a little syrup on that sweet slimy mess you just spewed out! Who asked YOU to be my priest? I didn't.
Just read the Bible to yourself and quit trying to impress others.
Yuk, phooie, splaaa...

It's that time of the year when we want to make ou...

2006-12-13T06:47:00.000+13:00

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So if your loved one already has an iPod, why not

Download Free iPod Movies and Music Videos for them this xmas. The great thing about this gift is that it's free or will only cost you pennies.

Go on head across now and Buy Digital
Quality iPod Movies, Music Videos for them.

Hello Anonymous, Thank you for being big enough t...

2006-12-12T12:19:00.000+13:00

Hello Anonymous,

Thank you for being big enough to admit your mistake. Yes, it is irrational. Yet for many of us, it's not hard to believe.

You find it hard to believe, because this is the first time you've looked upon something like this and actually seen. For others, this is simply yet another round in a never-ending story. It makes me feel old sometimes.

You find it disturbing. Good. So do I. Yet I'm still with LCG. Would you like to know why?

Because even though I no longer have faith in LCG as an organization or Rod Meredith as a person, I still believe in God. I've experienced His influence in my life. He's real. And as nearly as I can tell from my limited ability to figure it all out, He prefers Saturday as the day of special worship. And for the time being, my local LCG congregation fills my need for fellowship, plus the local pastor doesn't rule with a heavy hand.

But now you find that leaders you've respected for years may not be all they seem. I know you have a lot to think about right now. Don't worry if you never figure it all out. The God I've come to know expects me to do the best I can in everything I do, but if the best I can isn't good enough -- and let's face it, it never is -- He will take up the slack. That's trust. It's the kind of faith Abraham had. More than anything, that's what God looks for in you and me. If you can learn to walk through your time of uncertainty hand in hand with the Almighty, then you'll learn everything He expects you to. Don't worry -- it'll take the rest of your life.

Oh, and if someday you feel He's leading you by the hand right out of LCG, then take a deep breath and go with Him. If you are led by His Spirit, then you are part of His Church -- and no amount of preaching to the contrary can change that.

Hope this helps.

The other day I criticized someone for stating tha...

2006-12-12T10:02:00.000+13:00

The other day I criticized someone for stating that Mr. Bryce's material had been removed. At that time I had looked and his sermons and bible study on Proverbs were still present.
Now, my apologies. ALL of Mr. Bryce's sermons and bible studies have been removed!
This is irrational and hard to believe. By extension of a policy such as this, Ross Jutsums songs would not be in the LCG hymnal. But they ARE in the LCG hymnal because those songs are in agreement with LCG beliefs and doctrinal interpretations.
Having heard Mr. Bryce speak MANY times, 100% of LCG members would tell you that he never stated things contrary to LCG's teachings and beliefs. So, why this decision and by whom?
I am sorry to say, but it boggles the mind to think that Christ would have acted in the same manner. I am positive that He would not banish those teachings just because the person in question wasn't attending with the same group.
Have the doctrines, that Mr. Bryce taught while with LCG, changed? If so, then the LCG doctrines have changed because Mr. Bryce only TAUGHT the doctrines agreed to by LCG.
This is action by LCG is disturbing to say the least.

Once again we are being subjected to yet another p...

2006-12-11T14:28:00.000+13:00

Once again we are being subjected to yet another power trip by another "evangelist" going off the wall. How many times do we have to endure this kind of behavior by those sworn and appointed to lead the flock? I have always found it interesting that the men were more than willing to require women to refrain from using makeup when at the same time endorsing the use of toupees by those men in strategic positions in the ministry.

At every turn we see men assuming that if they demand a certain behavior by women, all will be well in the church and yet, is that the reality?

Behavior is established by example and NOT the mandates of men who have forgotten their charge. Succumbing to the ploys of Satan is nothing new...it is only certain for those who forget the lessons of history who are bound to relive it.

With all that is going on in the world, why would makeup and earrings be a point of issue. The thought of these issues taking priority boggles the mind.

When will the ministry EVER learn the magnitude of their calling and learn that servant leadership is not mandating behavior that has NOTHING to do with eternal life.

Gavin, It is interesting to note a recurrent them...

2006-12-11T11:36:00.000+13:00

Gavin,

It is interesting to note a recurrent theme through these blogs.DEIFICATION of HWA,especially in his defence. Let's face it,he is not there yet.Canonisation takes quite a time and HWA is probably not on the fast track.

They celebrate him as a prophet yet he stuffed up badly in 1972.There should have been a MASS EXODUS at that stage.But mendacity prevailed and we fell for it.

And still today these shysters and cons peddle the same old snake oil which perhaps one day they might get to swallow.

And still the unwary,the blind,the vulnerable and the stupid hang on every word these yobbos say.

Ah well, it's their money they want to spend,propping up lavish lifestyles.

Ah well, back to my cave in Petra.

Jorghainz

If God's focus is not on relationships, then why d...

2006-12-10T03:16:00.000+13:00

If God's focus is not on relationships, then why do the first four commandments deal with our relationship with him, and the other six on our relationship with others?

You're obviously a good spinmeister, because you are spinning that one right out of orbit.

"Rev 21:7
'he who overcomes inherits all things'
it's not he who works on his relationship skills inherits all things"

We're not talking about pop psych relationship skills here. Read the words I said, not the words you think I said.

We're talking about hard work - "works" - and, yes, that means overcoming. What do we have to overcome?

Wearing makeup? Wearing or not wearing a tie to church? Making sure the rented building we meet in doesn't have an Xmas tree in the lobby? Our hair length? Our jewelry selection or lack thereof?

No. Those are "things" and they're all superficial. Since you like to quote Paul, you might want to go back and read what he says about our relationship with God and others as a whole instead of picking and choosing - like the mainstream Protestants you disdain - to try to say someone you don't know and have read only 150 words or so of in your life is espousing the Protestant view of grace.

Look at what's been written here this week. This is what we have to overcome.

There is hate (Ex. 10:13 & Matt. 5:21-25), there is lying (Ex. 20:16), and both having another god and idolatry are here: people worshipping themselves and people worshipping another person. I don't see God anywhere in all of this.

Oh, and unless you're one of those people who think the OT is no longer relevant, if you really don't think God has much interest in our relationship to Him and to others, you might want to go back and reread the chapters after Exodus 20, where The Word is very specific about relationships and the consequences of not showing love to your neighbor. You might also want to reread Isaiah because He also has a lot to say there about us not having a right relationship with him.

If you don't think relationships are important, then I can only assume that you're all alone in this world: no job (in which we're commanded to obey God even when no one else does and we're spitefully used) and no family or church (two biggest testing areas because these are the people we're closest to and we all struggle).

All the "things" you do are not going to save you. You're a sinner. So am I. But we are in training for the Kingdom. And it's what's inside - the very way we think, we relate, we ARE that has to be changed before God can give us any other responsibility. It's the "heart of flesh" that Isaiah talks about that has to be yielded to God, not self-willed, not "I know it all," not arrogant and superior.

Otherwise, God's got a bunch of Satans (the big "I") that He won't use.

God and Christ focus on the big picture: "relation...

2006-12-09T17:12:00.000+13:00

God and Christ focus on the big picture: "relationships."

That is the most protestant "Jesus Speak" I've ever heard.
What bible is that from?

Rev 21:7
"he who overcomes inherits all things"
it's not he who works on his relationship skills inherits all things

1 John 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments"
Yes, we do have to focus on "things"... like obeying God's Law and Commandments

We all wish salvation had no requirements...but that's not what the bible says. Apparently YOU need to go back to God's word...you missed the part in the New Testament about overcoming and keeping the commandments.

What a convenient version of Grace so many have. Just because we can't earn grace doesn't mean we can sit idly by without doing something!

Waiting for Jesus to enter our hearts, while we work on relationships skills isn't going to cut it. And deep down you know it.

If I really wanted to see a continual series of sp...

2006-12-09T17:06:00.000+13:00

If I really wanted to see a continual series of splits, I would have joined a bowling league.

i guess this is a sad time for the church of god i...

2006-12-09T14:58:00.000+13:00

i guess this is a sad time for the church of god i feel, i have not had the opportunity to read about mr. bryce's reasons for leaving. i hope we can all pray for each other ... time is running out

Lets see ... first we read on Gavin's AW site that...

2006-12-09T13:51:00.000+13:00

Lets see ... first we read on Gavin's AW site that CB is the heir apparent. Then CB is shipped of to Texas after supposedly "begging" RM for months to let him go home .
Now we are being told that CB was actually demoted and that he wants to start his own church.
Hmm ... we have the letters directly from CB himself. There is nothing in there to indicate he is starting his own church.

Libro's point is most cogent and right on target. ...

2006-12-09T09:25:00.000+13:00

Libro's point is most cogent and right on target. The legacy of the COG organization that we all came from was quite close to what Christ condemned the Pharisees for when they were counting an exact tenth of minute seeds but were missing the boat with regard to the big picture of what God and Christ were/are about.

I think the fact that there are so many COG organizations makes it very clear how much private and personal disparity there was within the original church organization.

Those of us who've remained with a COG group have chosen the organization that most closely reflects our understanding of God and Christ and the way They have given us in the Bible.

No human or human organization is without its faults. Not a one of us is without faults. So to deify a human and/or an organization is breaking both the 1st and 2nd commandments.

When in doubt, go to the authority - God's word - instead of making what another *dustball*, which each of us is, says "gospel." That indeed is preaching a gospel other than the one Christ preached.

It saddens me to think that an individual would believe that his or her salvation (which is in fact a gift we don't and can't earn) hinges on "things," and not the way that comes from God's spirit transforming the heart, soul, and mind.

"Things" are what Satan focuses on too - and that's where he can always get us because he knows our "things" weaknesses far better than we do.

God and Christ focus on the big picture: "relationships." And that area is the area we as humans are weakest in and fail miserably in. Church history has borne that out and unfortunately, as the latest - but sadly, not last - ego-centered and finger-pointing crossfire this week shows, it looks like it will continue until Christ's return.

And when a respected and needed evangelist like Mr...

2006-12-09T05:31:00.000+13:00

And when a respected and needed evangelist like Mr. Bryce leaves over such superficial issues that even Mr. Armstrong switched back and forth on several times, what good can it bring to the Work of Jesus Christ?

Ah, but what about the superficial issues that Mr. Armstrong didn't switch back and forth on several times?

For example, take Meredith's most recent modification, perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back. For the past month or so, he's been emphasizing that it's okay to invite a new person to church services even if they don't have their entire lives straight first. You don't have to tell a guy to cut his hair or take off his earrings or cover his tattoos or stop smoking before he comes in and warms a seat -- after a couple of weeks, he'll pick up on the fact that we all wear nicer clothes and have conservative hairstyles and he'll follow suit. If he doesn't, don't take it upon yourself to bash him over the head with 1 Corinthians 11:14. That's the pastor's job. And of course the same idea goes for women visiting for the first time.

A superficial issue? Yes, I agree -- and in saying this, Meredith relaxes an unnecessary burden. But the fact that he's had to clarify and clarify and clarify again that he's not saying it's okay to smoke or have tattoos or show your navel in church tells us that this superficial issue is a big deal to some. Why? Because it's not the way Herbert W. Armstrong ran the store.

Stop and remember, web70. For Herbert W. Armstrong, even superficial issues were matters of salvation. Don't believe me? Read Truth About Makeup and you'll find that lipstick would get you into the Lake of Fire back then. Read other literature from the good ol' days. We were told that if a church deviates from true biblical doctrine by even one-tenth of a percent, it is not the true Church of God -- and we were told this in italics and in UPPER CASE.

That's why Bryce and others are so worked up. In their view, their own salvation is at stake!

Living Church of God is NOT a sinking ship! In sp...

2006-12-09T02:03:00.000+13:00

Living Church of God is NOT a sinking ship!

In spite of the problems, trials, and weaknesses that may exist in Living Church of God, that Church is strong in many ways compared to the other Churches of God. They are the only Church of God I know of that is bringing in a significant number of new members into the Church through their TV program and magazine. This is a fruit that testifies to the effectiveness of their efforts to preach the gospel to the world.

I think there may be a process of separation going on. An issue in the Church of God since Mr. Armstrong's death is, "Is it right to change doctrine taught by Herbert W. Armstrong?" Many say no, yet Mr. Armstrong changed his own doctrines and taught the Church to be corrected by and to learn new knowledge from the Bible. So for those who respect Herbert W. Armstrong and believe God has done a good work through him, the question is, which is the weightier matter of his teachings? The details of the doctrines that he taught at the end of his life, or the principle that we must be willing to change doctrine to be corrected by the Bible and to grow in grace and knowledge, which he taught by word and by his example?

When Mr. Tkach changed doctrine in Worldwide, a separation began. Those who believed Church authority first followed Mr. Tkach's teachings and stayed in Worldwide. Those who followed the Bible or just didn't want to change left and formed new groups. But those who left and became part of LCG did not all do so for the same reason. Some stayed with Mr. Armstrong's teaching because they proved it for themselves from the Bible, while others stayed with his teaching because they didn't want to change anything they believed.

So within Living Church of God are members who are willing to follow the Bible, even if it means changing Herbert W. Armstrong's doctrines, and also members who do not want to change anything that Mr. Armstrong taught, period.

Some of those who do not want to change the details of anything Mr. Armstrong taught have been leaving to join PCG or RCG, and I think more may leave to join with Charles Bryce. Thus, those whose loyalties are to the details of doctrines taught by Herbert W. Armstrong at the end of his life are being separated out of LCG, while most of those who follow the example and teaching of Mr. Armstrong that we must be willing to make doctrinal changes and be corrected by the Bible will stay. They will stay because they see the positive fruits of LCG's program to preach the gospel to the public, and they will continue to support that, in spite of the problems and trials in LCG right now.

The Solomon's are a most wonderful family, and mos...

2006-12-08T20:34:00.000+13:00

The Solomon's are a most wonderful family, and most if not all who know them think so. We members , to one degree or another are all caught up in this situation and grieve.