Comments on Ambassador Watch: Smitten with an angry Rod?

It's about time for Thiel to blast Charles Bryce a...

2008-06-24T03:25:00.000+12:00

It's about time for Thiel to blast Charles Bryce again as he rotates his attacks on COG groups that are bleeding members from LCG.

There's no doubt in my mind that Weinland's latest...

2008-06-21T11:47:00.000+12:00

There's no doubt in my mind that Weinland's latest blog post "prophecies" the incipient first point of plan B, leaked on April 22 of this year. To wit, these two sentences:

"Each day since this past Sabbath, God has been giving me more understanding concerning the timing of events that I now believe I am to address in the Church, but I cannot do so until after July 16. All this will be explained in sermons after that date."

"There is a lot unsaid at this time because there is too much to address in this posting, and these things must be addressed in their full context through sermons that will cover the subject."

Those two sentences, I believe, indicate that Weinland is warming the sheep up for the first part of plan B, to wit:

"Series of sermons stating why & what happened, including repentance by Weinland in late July 2008."

Also, Weinland has deleted all posts on his blog prior to April 17th. Fortunately Weinlandtranscripted had the foresight to preserve the originals.

There's no doubt in my mind that neither of the Witless Weinlands believe they are the "end of the age" prophets, any more than either of them believes the sky is green. The only green they see are the hard-earned "Israelite" countries' tithe dollars as they convert them into Euros --- as the members starve themselves, stockpile food, and "send it all in"! :-(

Much agro surrounding 'ministers' is avoided when ...

2008-06-20T23:06:00.000+12:00

Much agro surrounding 'ministers' is avoided when they are answerable to their congregation and NOT to a headquarters (other than to The Head).

Anonymous wrote:Ron Weinland has just extended the...

2008-06-20T11:54:00.000+12:00

Anonymous wrote:
Ron Weinland has just extended the date of getting nuked - AGAIN! Check his website. He now says mid-December.

Really? And I was planning a trip to Bermuda. What a witness! First he threatens to eliminate the NBA playoffs and now he's toying with the destruction of the NFL? That's terribly unsportsman-like - someone should blow a whistle, throw a yellow flag, call for an instant replay or something!

He has got to know that he isn't a true prophet because there is NO way he can possibly explain how God could be so confused as to give him so many different instructions.

See, that's the trouble with all these self-proclaimed apostles, prophets, and witnesses. The more they write and mouth off, the more confusion they create. God has never been confused and isn't listening to any of them; neither should you.

Wineland is no idiot, but he does inhale of the same toxic cloud of self-delusion that affects all the chosen wannabees of Lilliput. Being ousted from UCG for embracing and teaching false COG doctrine ought to tell you what he is full of.

..step up and admit he was wrong...

Or write another book...?

LOL! Stop it, my sides are aching!

b²

Ron Weinland has just extended the date of getting...

2008-06-20T10:03:00.000+12:00

Ron Weinland has just extended the date of getting nuked - AGAIN! Check his website. He now says mid-December.
I take back my comment of a few days ago when I said that I thought he and his wife, Laura, were sincere. No one could be this stupid. He has got to know that he isn't a true prophet because there is NO way he can possibly explain how God could be so confused as to give him so many different instructions.
He is either in the biggest denial of mankind's history, he's a complete idiot, or he is so full of himself that he refuses to believe that he could be wrong. But if he was a "good man," he would do the right thing: step up and admit he was wrong.
I stand corrected.

"The May-June issue of the Living Church News."Tha...

2008-06-18T17:37:00.000+12:00

"The May-June issue of the Living Church News."

Thanks , just read it.

Their Church newspaper is full of more sermon articles - about as exciting as a Watchtower - shit, what a miserable life under jackboot Meredith

Tkach's Cruise Concierge wrote:"RCM's recent artic...

2008-06-18T13:31:00.000+12:00

Tkach's Cruise Concierge wrote:

"RCM's recent article about the fruit of rebels" Where can I locate this article?

The May-June issue of the Living Church News. Try this link on the cogl.org website:

What is the Fruit of Rebels?

b²

Hot off the press from CoGWriter:While it is true ...

2008-06-17T09:02:00.000+12:00

Hot off the press from CoGWriter:

While it is true that the world is filled with racist groups, and some of them espouse Anglo-Israelism, the type of Anglo-Israelism espoused by the Living Church of God (LCG) is not racist.

Pull the other one, Bobby, it's got bells on!

"If Rod really wanted to punish the LA churches, h...

2008-06-17T07:21:00.000+12:00

"If Rod really wanted to punish the LA churches, he should have sent his sister, Katherine Ames, to play violin for special music."

Really, no reason for that.

"RCM's recent article about the fruit of rebels"Wh...

2008-06-16T16:09:00.000+12:00

"RCM's recent article about the fruit of rebels"

Where can I locate this article ?

Before the recent LCG Council of Elders meeting, i...

2008-06-16T02:35:00.000+12:00

Before the recent LCG Council of Elders meeting, it was announced one of the topics to be discussed would be other COG groups. Since that meeting, Bob Thiel has launched attacks against Pack and Billingsley. Now, RCM has disfellowshipped Coulter, who left WCG in 1978. Could that relate to an LCG elder in San Diego bolting the flock in January and RCM's recent article about the fruit of rebels? A pattern is developing. Lash out at potential threats. Despite Thiel's postings to the contrary, it's obvious there's trouble in Charlotte and LCG leaders are resorting to desperate actions to stop the drop in members.

I'm happy to see Lussenheide confirm my feeling th...

2008-06-15T21:26:00.000+12:00

I'm happy to see Lussenheide confirm my feeling that Bob T is a true believer and his unbridled enthusiasm is not tainted by mammon or coveting of position.

Reminiscing my early days, I felt the same way once. In those days, though, HWA was very restrictive on what we lay folk could do to spread the word. I still remember relating a "Bob thing" that I did and was told to curb my enthusiasm...

We felt so secretive that a minister said if someone outside the rented room we met in asked who we were it was okay to tell them.

Attention Armstrongites....1972 - 1975 people left...

2008-06-15T11:20:00.000+12:00

Attention Armstrongites....

1972 - 1975 people left the WCG in droves and a major split occurred.

1975 - 1985 the "one true chuch" was exposed as a dangerous cult.

1986 Armstrong finally kicked the bucket and the whole show went to hell along with 'im.

Give it up, get a life, it was all a con-game and a farce and now it is just another bunch of exposed, defunct cult groups worshipping the memory of a dirty old man.

"AW should be a source of factual information, rea...

2008-06-15T11:08:00.000+12:00

"AW should be a source of factual information, reasoned editorial and insightful satire."

Way to harsh our buzz Bill!!!

(said with tongue firmly in cheek)

PUBLIUS SCRIBED:Has Thiel ever stated publicaly th...

2008-06-15T10:28:00.000+12:00

PUBLIUS SCRIBED:
Has Thiel ever stated publicaly that he gets no money from RCM or LCG?

MY COMMENT:
I have known Bob Thiel for upwards of 25 years. Love him or hate him, be tad fair in this.

I know Bob as an intensely loyal, and energetic guy to everything he does in life . Does he and I vehemently disagree about things? You bet. But I assure you, that His motivation is definitely not "money" or even getting "ordained".

Probably the only thing Bob has ever gotten from RCM is having RCM pickup the check for pancakes and coffee at IHOP.

Not everything is a "filthy conspiracy" and at times , my fellows here at AW, you "protesteth" too much about minor things and get downright too nasty on a personal level.

It is well established here that I am against strange, controlling and cultic behavior. There are enough "big issues" to write about than some of the really picky BS that I read here.

It probably diminishes the cause of enlightenment to go down the road of woof poofing any tomfoolery accusation made without any evidence or fact.

Wild eyed speculative accusations serve no good purpose for any cause. AW should be a source of factual information, reasoned editorial and insightful satire.

Your Friend,
Bill Lussenheide

Hey I remember in 1992 when during Round seven of ...

2008-06-15T09:51:00.000+12:00

Hey I remember in 1992 when during Round seven of the AR/Renehan Tkach vs Meredith bout Tkach said if they didn't like the changes "There's the door Good Riddance!"

The pulse of Living is strong, with new people com...

2008-06-14T16:24:00.000+12:00

The pulse of Living is strong, with new people coming in all the time, the Gospel being preached over an ever-expanding network of TV stations, satelites, cable stations and the Internet (all in multiple languages), and the income is up 8% (2% higher than budgeted). What Living is doing is working, and our enemies just can't stand it. They want us to fall apart and fail. Well, learn to live with disappointment folks--we are here for the duration. Get used to it.

You forgot to mention "The preceeding post is copyright 2008 Living Church of God, all Rights Reserved."

COG stats like Mickey suggested would be very inte...

2008-06-14T10:30:00.000+12:00

COG stats like Mickey suggested would be very interesting. Dave Pack always seems to talk percentages, which I once put in a spreadsheet, hoping to work out some real numbers.

The stats could test my hypothesis that dumb sheep are getting dumber through imbreeding, whereas the ministers are mostly cloned.

"Mr. Meredith warned us away from people like Dave...

2008-06-14T08:08:00.000+12:00

"Mr. Meredith warned us away from people like Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry and Fred Coulter, just as he has warned us about Gerald Flurry."

So, you are saying he warned you twice about Flurry or did you just not edit what you wrote?

Oh, anonymous, so you think LCG is the one true sp...

2008-06-14T07:58:00.000+12:00

Oh, anonymous, so you think LCG is the one true splinter?

I believe Dr. Meredith is correct when he warns people about Weinland, Flurry, Pack, Coulter, and the others. It's just that he should place his own name on that list, as well.

A point of curiousity about the growth of various ...

2008-06-14T06:15:00.000+12:00

A point of curiousity about the growth of various COGs. I wonder if anyone ever gathers statistical information about:

1) 2nd Generationers
2) Deaths
3) Cross over from other COGs
4) actual new folks with no previous exposure to COG-dom and lastly
5) duration of individuals remaining within a particular cog fellowship.

I'd be really interested in those last two. But it would be probably thought the same as David numbering Israel and therefore not to be considered:)

Mickey

Anonymous said: "Bob Theil's website is obviously...

2008-06-14T06:03:00.000+12:00

Anonymous said: "Bob Theil's website is obviously a private effort as a supportive church member and is not subsidized by Living."

Really?

Has RCM ever stated publicly that LCG does NOT subsidize Thiel in any way?

Has Thiel ever stated publicaly that he gets no money from RCM or LCG?

I think this is a relevant point to take into consideration at this time. How about it, RCM and Dr. Thiel? Will you go on record at this time on this issue?

Publius

The false rumors here are amazing.Tom Mahon is ent...

2008-06-14T05:01:00.000+12:00

The false rumors here are amazing.

Tom Mahon is entirely incorrect. No one will "inherit the Church" (Living). Leadership will pass to an evangelist on the Council of Elders who has been chosen by Christ to fill the office (Mike Meredith is not a minister, and his brother Jim is a local elder who serves his heart out here, and is nowhere near being on the Council). Neither of Mr. Meredith's sons are in "positions", but are just serving at the local level. Jim's ordination was at the behest of the local ministry; Jim was content to just serve, did not want or seek being ordained. He and his wife just enjoy helping.

The pulse of Living is strong, with new people coming in all the time, the Gospel being preached over an ever-expanding network of TV stations, satelites, cable stations and the Internet (all in multiple languages), and the income is up 8% (2% higher than budgeted). What Living is doing is working, and our enemies just can't stand it. They want us to fall apart and fail. Well, learn to live with disappointment folks--we are here for the duration. Get used to it.

Mr. Meredith warned us away from people like Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, Gerald Flurry and Fred Coulter, just as he has warned us about Gerald Flurry. Protecting the flock is part of his job, and sometimes you have to get strong in order to warn someone from danger. It was done in love to protect us.

Bob Theil's website is obviously a private effort as a supportive church member and is not subsidized by Living. You just don't like what he has to say.

Having personally heard Mrs. Ames play the violin, it is obvious that her decades of practice have paid off in producing beutiful music. But then, I like violin music.

Well, doesn't Meredith's letter speak volumes? Fir...

2008-06-14T04:23:00.000+12:00

Well, doesn't Meredith's letter speak volumes?

First, old hog jowls never listened to anyone, except occasionally Stan Rader, so it's my understanding that if one of his "trusted" aids wanted to get a point across, he had to do it with passion. Predictably, the Korah principle was usually invoked by HWA.

Second, why, when some minister or teacher of bogusness gets disfellowshipped, why don't they just go back to school, or get a real job? I mean it's not as if they have anything tangible to contribute to God or humanity by starting their own replica of the bogusness!

Lastly, it's absolutely laughable to see that Meredith is still referring to HWA as "God's Apostle". Of course, I know the answer to this one. He has to do this, because his credibility is tied directly not so much to Jesus Christ, but to Armstrong.

These people who aimlessly float back and forth amongst the splinters are indulging in what I call comparison shopping for diarrhea! That's why I coined the expression HWAcaca!

BB

What did Coulter do to deserve disfellowship and m...

2008-06-14T03:06:00.000+12:00

What did Coulter do to deserve disfellowship and marking? Confront Armstrong about the incest allegations?