The Painful Truth About The Worldwide Church of God
By JohnO

 Someone once told me:  " John, you CAN'T  tackle this subject. It's not tellable.   It's too taboo."  So, you know me.  I'm a hardhead.   I decided to go for it - "head on."

"Church" (and that includes our ex-buddies in Worldwide Church of God+), have always tackled the issue of gay or straight as one that's either "sinful or possibly unforgivable."  Has anyone out there (especially anything related to "church") addressed this subject?  Has anyone, simply or honestly tried?

Has anyone in the "Christian" community had the guts (except in the usual, traditional, slushy way), tried to explain the "plain truth about homosexuality?"  Has anyone bothered to explore this difference?  Examine the reasons?  Have we seen any of the "Christian" magazines on the market with the tough fight or the open guts to openly tell (or explain) what it takes to capture to take this problem by the lotus flower, head on?  . . .  "No," they say (or chicken out).  "It's not of God, so it must be of Satan."  Ok.  So then, we say, we have - naturally, only God's ideas.  We have the "Christian"(or Bible=Mosaic opinion).   So let's examine the subject.  Maybe some have, but some writers recently have said so little, that got me thinking, it's about time to address the subject of gays, because if the averages are correct, there are some (if not many) gays that are reading this, right now.  I wonder what the percentage is?  The statistics claim that there are between fifteen and twenty percent of people in the US who are gay, bi, or lean that way.  There maybe more.  So let's take an intelligent look at this whole thing, and be honest.  The "Christian" community simply says that's it's of the devil, and there's no more discussion.  Yes, that's their opinion.  But, there's a lot more to investigate.  We need to discuss this.  WCG+ and it's breed refuse to  talk about it.  They won't even discuss it at length.  So let's attack the subject from an open point of view.   Let's be open, let's talk about it, and be sincere with what we find.

This article is not (repeat NOT) a condemnation, even though I'm known as the  (blabbermouth/over spoken/outspoken, over verbal-vomitorious person - and what they know as "gush-mouth) I'm well into the group knows as a straight and strictly  hetro guy.  I adore women.  This is simply an open discussion on the subject (not me), and each of us is entitled to our own viewpoint.  I'm NOT condemning anyone here    They maybe  gay.  That's their lifestyle.  Me?  NO.  I ain't gay.  I'm strictly hetro.  That's my inborn programming.  But there's NO condemnation of someone here who is different.  Certainly - we see and feel things different.  They cannot relate to me, and I cannot see their point of view.  No condemnation.  I simply don't see their viewpoint.  I just don't understand it.  This is NOT a condemnation, buy simply a VIEWPOINT.  Repeating.  Their cannot see my point of view  I cannot see theirs. That's Ok.  I figure that's nature.  We differ, but we still tolerate and love (in the spiritual term) our fellow human - no matter what his/her preference..  Remember - this is a layman's point of view, and it's an open expression, but it needs to be addressed - in fairness to everyone.  It's about time someone did address the subject directly, and even though I'm NOT anybody's expert in this field, (I'm NOT a doctor), I can encourage you to look further and explore (references further on), examine, and research.  If you feel there may be a problem, then openly discuss this with your doctor.  Most doctors are open to this discussion.  Or talk to your psychologist.  Most of them are open minded about a person's lifestyle.  This is the key to knowledge.  We learn from our preferences.  Read.  Learn.  Prove everything.  Let's learn from our successes, preferences, and our mistakes. 

That's why God gave us MINDS.  That's how we grow and evolve.  We are humans, and yes, we're gonna be different - what a blessing!   Men and women are different too. And that's Ok.  Let's accept that.  And that's fine.  Most of us will agree that sex is wonderful.  Also, there's nothing better or rewarding than self education from a multitude of brains.  We can have a multitude of input here.  If we work together as a world team, the results will be staggering, and it will change the universe.  Let's face it.  What's happening on this planet now - it just ain't working.  This little planet  is (3rd from the sun on the periphery of the spinning edge of our galaxy [and there's a physical and scientific reason for that too.  But that's another subject.).  Things can all change and we can make a universe of a difference if mankind decides to love mankind - no matter what their preference - man or woman..  Anything can be worked out.  If there's a difference of opinion, then people can always peacefully separate.  Go their own ways.  But, overall, let's have peace.

It's been said that inanimate forms/things and inanimate material have no reasoning.  Why didn't WCG+ ever teach the membership about this?  Why didn't they teach us about life?  Why didn't they teach us about the essence of nature, life, and God?  This is the real stuff of creation - this is the stuff of the real Infinite God.   Forget "Church."  Let's learn GOD.  And they (the hirelings) never had the intelligence to research or take the time to teach us about the beauty, or the intricate details of the cosmos that surrounds us.  They couldn't be bothered.  They were too busy preaching the doctrines of Herbieizm.  As a result, this has caused irreparable damage in the minds of our young'uns as well ourselves.  It has left us without the fundamendentals  of God. As a result, we've lost the basics of all our creative thot.  We've lost our original, intended, origins.  Thanx - WCG+. 

Talking of inanimate objects - if  we could see the intricate molecular energy that goes on within each solid (no intelligence) substance, then our minds would be boggled.  There is life there.  There's life of a different form.  Life like we could never imagine.  Maybe even mini-universes.  Please  remember, time is a relative thing, according to Einstein.  What could be lifetimes to a mini-world, could be hundreds of thousands of years to us.  Think of the possibilities.  Molecules to atoms to electrons to quarks to the light and vibrating, brilliant, and dancing string vibrations that are the end of quarks - but that's another story.  (Refer to Brian Greene's THE ELEGANT UNIVERSE. Ref: (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Daltons, Walgreen's, etc.)  There's ton's o'life there. 

The whole universe vibrates with some form of life.  We're all energy.  Read about it.  Life's everywhere.  Energy is all around us.  IT exists.  Life is living.  God IS.  It's even in the ether of space - even though we can't measure it.  It's in everything, even that which we consider a "dead" thing.  Like a table, for example.   It has no fundamental intelligence.  It doesn't have to.  It's not designed to.  But there's  still life there.  True - there's no intellect in the table.  But, look at its molecular structure (if we could see that deeply).  That's life in a miniscule form.  That's the start of our forming.  It's the energy that begins life, as we know it.  LIFE is just what breathes us - and breathes through us - and gives us human existence.  It's energy, and it's thot. 

It's the real love.  It's a miracle of complexity.  That's "God."  It's just life - but a LIFE that wants to live.  And it MUST live some way.  That's the basic DNA of the Universe.  (Reference, the comment made by Jeff Goldblum, playing Ian Malcolm in JURASSIC PARK).  He basically said that life will always find a way to live and survive.  It's the same principle.  Life will go on - no matter how.  It wants to live as a myriad of forms.  It WILL find a way.   It wants to live AS us.  And it's chosen to live AS us in our own particular forms, with our own particular characteristics and abilities.  But there's always that Infinite life and there is always that Infinite energy - all around us.  We can suck from it, we can breathe from it, we can inhale its living, and we can live from its outgiving.  We do.

There's always life everywhere.  There's a "God" life breathing through everything.  In you, in me, in the ground, the plants, in our kids, in the stars - and in our time/space continuum.  God exists in everything.  Even in gays.  That's the point.  They're different - that's all.  Medical experts, that I've spoken to, will tell you that they're born that way.  But, there's something in everything that has the breath of God.  And there are always differences.   Intelligence is in the God-Mind.  It's Infinite thot.  It's the creator.  It's the former.  It creates, but, as yet, none of us has figured out exactly HOW.  It (whatever) is the originator of thot.  It is original thot that forms, creates, and manifests.  But "Church" will not accept this.  "Church" will only concede that "God" works through them, as an organization.   They believe that they ARE God created.  This is how cults are formed.  Just ask our buddies in Worldwide Cult of God+.  It's also said that intelligence fundamentally sleeps in plant life. It also says that intelligence dreams in animal life.  And it also says that intelligence awakens and becomes self-aware in humans. What's next?   Where's our ultimate destiny?  Read on.

You're all free to agree or disagree with what I've learned, seen, heard, talked about and researched,  but at least (let's hope), this might start people start researching, thinking, reasoning, concluding - even more, and that's good.  I love it when folks think and ask questions.  That's how we learn from each other.  Like I've repeatedly said:  "THINK".  All the modern "Christian" churches (who blindly follow the Mosaic Law and refuse to research - that includes the Worldweird Church of God+) call homosexuality (male or female) as those who (they believe) are Uncalled and/or possessed by Satan.  They think these different people are gonna get fried. According to them.   I'm NOT defending or condemning anyone's ideas.  Figure it out for yourself.  I'm just different.  I just cannot see the same way.  That's all.  They can think what they wanna.  I do NOT have their personal feelings.  I do NOT understand homosexuality, because I'm not made - or feel - that way.  I'm your average guy, who chases women (or used to [years ago], or might like to imagine to like to).  Except that I don't now - 'cause I love my only woman, and I'm devoted to (this) my wife. 

Now, let's look at churches and gays.  This is their  own personal and their particular reasonable thinking, and I'm only asking for these people to please "stand back" - take a broader view, and then make an intelligent judgment.  No one is anyone's judge.  Whether you CONDEMN a person is the ultimate test.  Whether you finally prove it "right or wrong," will be the definitive analysis.   But I think a little more info is needed here.  So before a decision is made, let's look deeper.

Very few, if any will touch the subject of gays.  Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'm gonna give it a shot.  First - I'm NOT gay, but I'd prefer (like many) to find the logical reason behind it.  Something that makes common sense.  I think we (as a collective consciousness) need to.  Any analytical or scientific person would.  I'm still partially (or mainly left headed) or "left brained."  (meaning "more scientific")  Right brainers are the artistic, and creative ones.  God bless 'em. But we need to honestly know why all people are like they really ARE.

So, I've decided to take a shot at it ('cause I'm always the idiot who sticks his neck out and opens his BIG mouth), and like it or not, here it comes.  So I talked to a lotta doctors and some psychologists.  This is the results.  Please remember, these are MY opinions.  If you wish - then disagree, think them tons o'effluent, and say so.  Please, if you feel that these ideas are wrong (the email's at the bottom of the page),  the please prove them wrong.   Let's keep the Bible (Emotion - with no logical [or in many cases, no logical] reference) out there, so that keeps righteous religious person outa  this.  Let's keep the laws of logic and modern day common sense and  scientific proof well into the picture.  Let's forget religious emotion and use what we've proved, and what has been proved to be common sense.

God (or Whatever) gave us a mind of logic,  and not that of some Mosaic book of growling, representative, laws.  Who the hell was Moses anyhow?  He was nothing but the "would be - Pharaoh of Egypt."  He never made it.  Ramses kicked his ass outa the throne.  Moses took the next best thing.  So, he did some figuring .  Start my own country.  Steal a feeble  nation of dingbats - namely (the slaves of  Goshen) - take over this weaker country (and knowing the slaves growling mentality),  the next best thing - was to take over a scrawny one (to the East -  namely, Israel - [which just happens to be] a strategic military area.   This was a weak country at the time, but a vitally strategic military location,  (which the US now realizes and has capitalized upon) and Moses figured to set himself up as "King." 

It took forty years of teaching of these "hardheads."  Let's face it.  Those slaves didn't have the highest IQ's around.  But they could be molded into a powerful army.  That's what he did with his brood.  It'll always take some time to mold an army to take over a whole nation.  You gotta giv'em laws, rules, and give'm the consequences if they don't obey.  "Drive 'em into submission,"  Eventually, we'll have an army.  They did.  Bring along Joshua. He's loyal.  He's a crusty ole SOB.  (Remember the movie?) And he'll chisel any ass who don't agree.  Possibly with ten rules.  Actually, the real Joshua didn't really look at all like John Derek.  The real nowadays John D is dead.  (With Bo for a wife, what man's heart wouldn't give out after a while?)  And Chuck Heston was undoubtedly better looking than the real Moses.  Moses had his own NRA.

 Israel ( today) is a strategic military position, and very productive oil producing area.  To own Israel is to own the Middle East, because, with the right technology, you can control all the land around you..   Let's think about it.  It's the center of the world.  That's what the arguing is all about.  And who owns it, has the control of the power.  That's why there's so much fighting.  It has the PERFECT position.  It has the sea location (the Med).  It has access to the North/East, the South/East, the North, and the East.  Why do we think Moses wanted it so badly?  He was no nuthead.  They knew exactly what we now know.  Moses was a military smarty.  And another fact, the powers of the world know that today.  The same as Moses did.   Go figure.   But today, there's a difference   Today we have ICBM's. 

These are the facts. Check the Internet for verification.  Why didn't our "Christian" brothers (or WCG+ hirelings) tell us these truths?  They were chanting prophecy so much, but they didn't give us any facts.  They'd rather talk about the "gay" population and how evil it all is.  Listen to Pat Robertson sometime.  He's just as bad as the hirelings in Worldwide Church of God.  He was made hetro, and that's fine - sure - but he sure slams anyone who's different.  Where were their minds?  There's nothing but a mass of condemnation for anyone who's different.

Pharaoh Moses (or King Moses could have ruled [almost] the whole Levant)  Moses was no dummy, and he knew this.  He planned to control the whole Levant.  But first you must do one thing.  You must kill everyone alive there.   Including the animals.  Now, there's a good reason for killing many of those animals.   Animals also provide food for a few millions growlers..  After all, they had the manpower that they brought from Egypt.  And a hungry army needs continual food.

Slaughter the whole land. (So the "Book" says).  They did.  "All in the name of God."  "Butcher everything," Moses said, "because God told me so."  The congregation (much like us) said:  "Duuuuuuhhhhh."  Just like many church people.   And they went out and did it.  So the bloodshed started.  All in "God's" name.  Let's face it.  Look at the odds.  About one million resident Canaanites against three million crazies?.  What chance did any of those resident Israelites have?  Moses was a master of military strategy.  He was one smart cookie.  In today's world?????   The same thing - is what happens when one nation wants to dominate another.  But what does this have to do with gays?  Please, let's continue.

What would happen in a similar situation?   Let's think about this, because this might be a future scenario.  Please, let's not forget China.  They're not forgetting us.  Once upon a time, they couldn't reach us here in time.  Now we have ICBM's.  And they have the technology.  We sold it - or traded it - to them.

But in those days, "Let's us build up Israel," Moses thot, " and take it over make it  kingdom, and with my expertize (let's face it, he was an Egyptian Army General, and one smart cookie and strategist.  The guy [no matter what else you think of him] was a military genius),  like so many that are now in the world.  Maybe one day, we can kick Egypt's ass." - he was possibly thinking.  The object here was a MosesVsRamses.  Moses wanted to control the world.  He had the location.  And the best he could do to be a king or Pharaoh was to was start his own "Church," (or "empire," because that's  all a "church is.  Look at Catholicism).  It's nothing more than an empire.  A huge business.  It's also a power base.  And if he could do was decree "The Laws of Moses," then the Mosaic Law was directly connected with God or religion, then this was simply the start of a culture that begat a nation.  And large nations are nothing more than big businesses.  Moses wanted to be another Pharaoh. 

All his laws, he stole from previous generations.  He climbed the mountain called Sinai with  Joshua - the stone carver and scriber - that followed him.  And so, the ten commandments were written.  They were written by the stonemason and stone master, Joshua and ground into stone.  Joshua was the hopeful (and speculative groveller)  to Moses (he actually made it), just like Roddy might have been to Herbie.  Suck up to the leader, and you might become the next "king."  Nothing changes, and neither do people. 

But things changed in the  1980's.  Anyhow, the contenders lost all the reverence.  Just like Teddy.  It was the bucks that won out.  Rader finished up 2IC.  Teddy went off like a sulking Moses, and did his "thing.."  Roddy went ballistic and tried his own ridiculous thing.  Meanwhile,  (back in the whenever) Moses came down from the mountain and maintained that "God" somehow wrote it with His finger.  God - the Infinite - has some sort of finger?  Understand the essence of God.  Fingers?????? Right!  Anyhow that's what THEY said happened.  They had - or never will - have anything to do with the laws of some all-powerful Infinite "God." The Pentateuch is simply a compilation of previous laws, and then called the Laws of Moses.  A man.  A would be Pharaoh.  A man who stole laws from previous generations.  That's all.

The best thing he could do was to try and start to his own nation - with copies of laws stolen from thousands of years before.  Dead Herbie did the same thing.  This tactic ain't new.  Although that might have been Ok to dead Herbie, but it was his methodology that's what's in question.  After all, who's to know the (spiritual) truth?  Like Moses, dead Herbie had the same format.  Where was there a bunch of previous theologians to challenge him?  (CG7 didn't have the guts).  The mob he (Moses) was ruling were an ignorant bunch of uneducated slaves.  That's what he tried to do (using them as an ignorant army) with the acquisition of another country, and look at all the bloodshed that was caused! 

Who knows how many people, children, innocents,  and cattle slaughtered.  And - of course, so the "official" record goes - "God told him to do all this."  The mob of slaves had no one else to believe.  Let's face it.  They had no leader or teacher.  Moses was a very well educated man.  They had no other teacher.  They had no education.  The "preachers" (of the day) were in charge.  And so, this was all recorded as the "deeds of God."  And so it comes down to us today as "God's inspired Word" - or, what's better known as, "The Bible."  And so says the "church."

 Those Mosaic laws were laws divined and ordained by men to keep order in (what would have been) a chaotic society.  At the time, like Paul said, they made sense.  They had a couple of million of scruffy, stiff-necked, hardheaded slaves to deal with.  That's a mess of disorderly people.  And they needed to be disciplined.  They were all dumb children, but they had the Moses potential in mind.  He's indoctrinated them well.  Check the records.  They wanted a nation.  A Kingdom..  Moses needed a huge army.  In the center and in control of the world.  Moses, of course, like Herbie wanted to be on the top of the crap heap.  But, Moses never made it.  .

But they had homosexuality among them too.  Obviously.  Nothing's changed from the beginning of time.  People or genes haven't basically changed.  Come on - it's logical.  If there were straight people at that time, then there must've been gays at that time.  But  . . . . .homosexuality was absolutely forbidden in that society.  Why?  Let's think a mo.  It's logical.  It must have been present.  Otherwise, there would NEVER have been laws against it.  Power leadership always makes laws against practices of which it doesn't approve.  That's history.   Check it out.  It's duplicable  . . .   and replicable, and forever..   Does that sound logical?  If there's no bad things against the system - then there's no laws against it.  Let's look at the logic of their thinking. 

Homosexuality does NOT re-produce.  So it was a taboo.  They wanted a nation.  Not just sex.  They wanted offspring.   They wanted more kids.  More soldiers.  More bodies.  More cannon-fodder.  They wanted a population.  They wanted a kingdom for themselves.  They didn't just want a nation of simply screwers.  They wanted a nation of potential re-population people. And of course, mucho babies.  Gays were definitely NOT invited.  What was the point?  Their sex was unacceptable.  And no future soldiers?

Probably - I don't know - their reasoning at that time might have been the right thing (from their point of view) AT that particular time, but as Paul later brought out - this was all kid's stuff.  Who's to judge?  Decent people didn't need those laws anymore was Paul's thinking. We've grown up now.  (Supposedly).  Come on, we're adults.  And there's one inbuilt law of love (he said) - and correctly) that can wash the rest of the statutes and ordinances away.  Anyone who has the intelligence to agree with, and follow, the law of love, will AUTOMATICALLY do the rest.  Show me ONE Mosaic law that anyone can defy that would challenge the law of love within a person.  It was a law of power and domination over people.  It was control over a nation.  Much like today.  But, let's get back to the WCG provable approach on gays.

All of us remember the WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD sermons about gays.  Many who gave those gave those blistering anti-gay sermons were - in fact - were reportedly by men who were bi-sexual themselves.  WCG kept that well hidden.

We live on a planet with two sexes.  The movie, available on video,  (much recommended by JohnO - yeah that's -   certainly ME  included) CONTACT made a good point.  Both Jodie Foster (who played, the scientist, Ellie Arroway) and her dad  (played by David Morse) said and thot the same thing.  The father and daughter stood on their upper, back veranda, and chatted inside and outside the house, and looked at the immensity of the heavens.  They saw just a segment of the universe.  They discussed it later, both in and out of the house..  And together, they thot.  "If we're the only ones (meaning us human beings) that are out here, then (let's think of it) - what's "out there. Ten billion galaxies?  If we're all that there is, then it can only be an awful waste of space."  So guys (everyone)  . . . . . with minds that can think?  Who are we?  What part of the Infinite creation are we?  What's out there?  With now, over ten billion galaxies (that's the latest scientific figures that I saw on the Internet), that we can scientifically (and probably estimating) identify with this statement, and it makes a lot more sense.  More and varied beings - based on logic and averages - MUST exist out there.  It makes NO logical sense to think that we're the only ones in the universe.  We're a splat of a dot on a spot on some insignificant galaxy that's makes an insignificant dot in this whole time-space continuum.

Most Christians (certainly WCG+ers are afraid NOT to believe anything that their hireling/cultmaster gurus tell them.  . . . . It's like: "Feed me.  I'm a total idiot.  Dduuuuuhhhh!"  Tell them something different, and if so, then that's their problem.  They think - why burden us if we don't believe so.  We believe only you.  They gullibly think there's only themselves.  God (they think - self righteously) made ONLY us - that's all - they said, then "that's it."  A clear reflection of closed minds.  Ok.  But  . . . . that's their personal choice.  It's their decision.  They now have the info.   But that goes for most humans who refuse to think or research for themselves.  The cure/answer is simple.  Get off our asses, do the research, and let's USE OUR MINDS.

Most of the time, traditional Christian thinking is antiquated, and they're wrong.  They think that God makes (or thinks - vomits out - into being) a hundred billion galaxies (minimum)?  And all this creation was simply for the purpose so He could save a few Earthling of "da-da" (Jesus) believers?   The hell with the rest of the poooooooor people (and beings) created?  Billions and billions are relegated to freezable - then cook able - barbeque meat in the Lake of Fire?  Is this the projection of sanity?

Let's propose another question.  Could there be aliens?  Who knows?  Could they have their own "Jesus?"  Wadda bout them?  Who's gonna save them?  Who are they praying to?  Is Jesus their God too?  Man  . . . that one Jesus guy must be sick of being crucified.  There must be a helluva lot of planets out there that need to be "saved."  After 3 million years of the creation of humanoids, (scientifically proven), then I suppose then can all of our ancestors can rot in the fires of hell.    Poor people.  They never had "Jesus."  I think that Jesus (or comparable Saviors)  must be really getting pissed off by now.  "Father," He  (or they) could say to the Big Guy:  "How many goddamned times have I gotta do this same thing?  For every lousy planet?  How many galaxies do I gotta go through?  Constantly preaching with a bunch of duh-heads, and then letting myself get impaled to some tree trunk, every time, ain't only monotonous, it's also hurts." 

Since, (is the "Christian" philosophy) they weren't 'Jesus' believers.  So let 'em burn."  Heck!  If they don't accept Jesus (according to their philosophy), then they can fry forever, or till they die, rot and barbeque in the indescribable agony that WCG describes.  (First, we spear all the unbelievers on the skewer.  Then add your favorite BBQ sauce.  Dump it in.  Plenty.  Tons of it.  There's ton's o'dividable bodies.  It's a massive cook-out, and all the starving gentiles are invited.  Remember, the Biblical trib has kept them from the food up till now. 

All body sections are available.  The WCG hirelings (only) will make sure of the cooking texture.  (And it's NOT to be too rare.  That's against God's law).  They're  good (excellent) with conditioning and/or seasoning people.  This is gonna be the biggest cook-out ever.  After the trib, just submit your Gentillic request for your favorite body part/parts.  You're now eligible for the gorging. But remember - BYOB.  WCG likes the booze, but they don't want the bill.    The cost of jet fuel is rising. 

All of the juices will be provided (payable, of course, in advance) are available.  Veggies are extra.  A minor salad will be $12.50.  But you'll love the flavor - and after our underpaid (and probably illegal alien) chef does his "thing" with it.  But an extra tithe offering (that you MUST provide on entry) will take care of that - payable, of course, in advance.  (We have this "new" cause that we're promoting - "Gospel" spreading.).  This is the WCG version (or somewhat a variation).  That leaves tons on "red-meat" food for all those the lucky "Un-WCG" gentiles that happened to survive God's "trib" - just cause He really hates the planet (He really HATES everyone), and especially all those gays - and those "rebellious folks" who don't keep the Sabbath - and especially those oinks who eat pork. 

 These "newly converted" people must come to an confess to a (questionable) Jesus, overseered by some uneducated, doo-dah hireling, then demands that the novitiate grovel on the ground within the confines of some "money-making: church, then drool all over ground, and confess, be tearful, and contrite, that must only confess to church loyalty, and they must "believe on Jesus and WCG+ leadership?"  Everyone else - Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Moslems, etc.,  are damned?  They can go to hell.  Right?  Barbeque meat?  Ok?  This is logical?  Come on.  Please  . . . .  let's grow up.  Please let's use our heads, let's not substitute testicles for brains.

What about other possible dimensions?  What about other universes?  Or continuums?  What about other continuums?  What about a multitude of other sexes?  Sure  . . . could there not be other sexes in other worlds - even in ours?  Oodles of them.  Something we ain't yet thot about.  Have we?  Something to think about.  Maybe (and probably are) there are zillions of other sexes.  I (like any guy) would certainly hope they all look like Alexandra Paul or Pamela Sue Anderson?  Naturally.  I'm your typical man.  These ladies are definitely acceptable.  If that's the case, I'm looking forward to space exploration.  But, we - as a people and mankind - are  not mature or peaceful enuf yet for that endeavor.  We, as a species, are NOT ready to explore space.  We have to calm down first - get rid of the maniacs - and get rid of the religious demigods.  Get RID of the religious businesses.

I'm just your average, normal, woman-loving granddad, who has a mess of kids and grandkids.  (Don't even ask me what the bill is at Xmas time).  Let your grandma pay the goddamned bills.    I'm not even getting' into this.  I'm into everything to take a realistic look at all this falderal that's now going on with all the governments.  So are many or us.  It's not the difference in lifestyle.  It's NOT the difference in culture.  It's not the difference that they choose to believe differently.  Basically, that only thing  that I object to  . . . is the HATE.  This is what was promoted in WCG.  Hate. We must remember:  "Love your brother as yourself."  THEN WE'LL HAVE WORLD PEACE.  We may never agree, in a zillion areas, but let's agree to dis-agree.  But the problem is that WCG or it's offspring never taught us tolerance. 

At this stage, we have no choice but to look back, but let's talk like humans.  Let's  be friends even though we may disagree.  Let's disagree, but let's live in peace.  Otherwise we'll eliminate ourselves as a species.  If our leadership (across the world) doesn't stop their insane egomania  . . . then we'll all die.  They'll nuke us all.  We will be all doomed as a condemned species.  Let's stop and use our heads and common sense.  If mankind doesn't decide to love each other as he loves himself, then this planet is doomed.  Religion (especially the Worldwide Church of God + does NOT teach this).   It only teaches love for itself, its system, and its members.  "We are right," they say (in effect), "and you are wrong.  Join us, or you'll fry."

Back again to gays.  Do we remember in WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD (and undoubtedly in WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD+) that abhorrence for anyone "different" from us was to be avoided, hated, and considered "demon possessed?" At one time, they even segregated blacks.

For those who are interested in studying the two subjects "Homosexuality," and "Genetics," the I suggest you start at one of the basics - and you might add the site to your "Favorite List."  Especially - it's the Encyclopedia Britannica.  The address is:

In general, and in my opinion, you'll NEVER find a better general overall reference center.  "Encarta" from MSN is another source, but I think you have to pay for that.  I like stuff free.  Plus there are tons of others.  There are tons o'medical sites too.  Explore.  You can do your own research if you want to dig deeper.  I'd recommend it.

Back to the subject of gays:

In the address:  http:// w

We find the following quotation.

No therapy has succeeded. Some of these "therapies" can persuade homosexuals to be celibate, either through terror or guilt. They can persuade bisexuals to confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex. They may even be able to train gays to successfully have sex with a woman, while fantasize about making love to another man. But they do not seem to be capable of changing one's feelings (one's sexual orientation).

This would tend to indicate, to most people, that there is something fundamentally different in the gay person that is not present in most of us.  And that brings us down to the basics of DNA.

How many know what DNA is?  It's the programming molecule, or building block of our whole body.  It's called "deoxyribonucleic acid."  That' one helluva name.  Any "Church" won't tell you these facts, because  they're scientifically (most of them - ignorant).  "Church" doesn't like provability and anything that can be verified.  And churches, with their theology - are UNPROVABLE.  THE WORLDWEIRD CHURCH OF GOD+ will condemn anyone doing such investigation.  They do NOT want any proof, as it would "expose" them.  It would make them expose themselves for the phonies they are - especially in the area of gays.  All anyone - that includes current members - has to do is do is get off your ass, and research.  I mean, really start reading.  Swamp the Internet.  That's what's it's  here for.  For the right reason, it can really be a blessing.  Millions are reading this are on the web.  So are you.  Go further.  LEARN.  THINK.  FIGURE IT OUT.  This is your future.  This is what's life's all about, folks.  Learning, growing , and evolving, and evolving.  ENUF said?  We are an evolving species.  And what you may think and decide, may determine the future of the  universe.  USE .LOGIC AND THINK. This article might help.

The answer's there if you dig hard enuf.  The DNA is the basic molecular formula construction  that programs the individuals that what we are.  It is us.  It's our program.  And it's also our obstacle course.  Like it or not.  It's our human software.   It's inbuilt into our system.  Like a program in a computer, the DNA directs the instinctive functions of our life, and although we DO have the option - and make effort -  to basically choose otherwise.  We CAN choose the direction. 

Sure, we have the option to redirect.  But, I'm telling you, it can be tough to redirect.  A smaller section of that individual DNA molecule (it's an almost infinitely, powerful  [almost overwhelming] within that complex helical molecule) and it directs who and what we are, but most of that DNA molecule and that, programs both us while, melding with the organ of which it occupies.  The programming (smaller) part of the DNA directs who we are (namely our real US), while larger part of the DNA section, defines and programs that particular organ.  The DNA programming goes on almost infinitum.  E.g.  Fingernail, hair, skin, eye color, our blood, etc.  But our basic programming of our organs is always there, and behind that is the real reproducible US.  That's the hidden figure in this equation.   It's our program.  We are who we are.  If you doubt that, then trying changing the color of your eyes.  Try changing your skin from black to white.  Try going from gay to straight.

The DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) molecule is a combination of atoms that link together (like the double rungs of a twisted ladder), in their own way, to form a starting point for a human.   This is our fundamental molecule.  This is our human program.  Check it out.  From there, it's an explosion to the ultimate growth of the fully grown human being.  The DNA is a double twisted helical tube of an infinite number of combinations.  It tells us whether were male or female, have red or brown hair, whether we have testicles or what colored eyes, etc. . . .  . . ..or whether we're gay or straight, our desires, potential alcoholics or drug addicts.  Whether we have testicles or a vagina.  DNA determines that.  That's now been researched.    Go do your homework.  Ask your doctor, or nutritionist.   Check it out.  It's all there in the EB. Also, if you have any doubts, please check with your professional.  

I'm not going to get into WHY our DNA's are programmed the way they are.  Right now, let's take and accept them for what they do to us.  The rest is another looooooooog subject.  A doctor or genetic scientist would be happy to explain.  At his/her regular fee - of course.  Check out the already written subject of ALCOHOLISM.                      

We have zillions of cells in our body, and science tells us that half the quantity of those cells contains our DNA molecules, while the other half (or more) contains protein + RNA, which absorbs the protein and disseminates it to the body.  Check it out.  It's all in the Encyclopedia Britannica and/or in any medical library.  Science is now telling us that we have NO control over our sexual orientation - or many times - our behaviour..


From the Encyclopedia Britannica: 

Can a Person Change their Sexual Orientation?

Human sexuality researchers, liberal Christians, gays and lesbians generally agree that a person's sexual orientation is determined before reaching school age. Once established, sexual feelings are unchangeable. In terms of behavior by sexually active adults researchers accept three normal, natural expressions of sexual feelings:

Heterosexuals (over 90% of the adult population) can chose to enter into sexual relationships with members of the opposite sex, or be celibate.

Homosexuals (less than 10%) can chose to become involved with members of the same gender or be celibate

Bisexuals (less than 10%) can become involved with members of either gender or be celibate

Many conservative Christians disagree. They feel that sexual orientation is a matter of choice, is sinful behavior, and can be changed through counseling and prayer. Some ministries, professional organizations and mutual support/self help groups specialize in attempting to change homosexuals and bisexuals into heterosexuals. Their long-term successes appear to be in two areas:

convincing bisexuals to restrict their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex

convincing homosexuals to remain celibate.


Continuing from the EB:

We have not been able to find a single case where an adult with a homosexual orientation has been able to develop an attraction to a person of the opposite gender through counseling or prayer. Some who are bisexual change their behavior from same-sex to opposite-sex involvement. Others who are homosexual, decide to remain celibate. Some are able to train themselves to engage in heterosexual behavior by fantasizing that they are with a person of the same gender. They may even marry. But almost all such marriages are doomed to failure. A heart-wrenching story of a gay male who attempted for decades to convert his orientation is described in Reference 26.

It is possible that man may someday control his heredity; even now functional genes can be transferred from one organism to another, and certain treatments are able to cause specific kinds of mutations. Such manipulation of genes eventually may be useful in solving many human hereditary diseases; e.g., stopping the function of genes that are out of control, starting the function of nonfunctioning ones. Activation of nonfunctioning genes in some types of tissue may enable them to replace body parts that have been injured or destroyed. It is conceivable that man may someday learn how to change harmful genes into normal ones.

Please check out:

Genetics: http://www.britan


But the big problem is the hate factor.  It's the same as the world's problems.  Sure, I'm as normal as the next guy, but I will NOT  spit in the face of any gay person (physically or verbally) like the religious hypocrites. I'll recognize them - I will not agree with their point of views - but there's NO condemnation.  Religion will condemn gays (who may be genetically programmed that way) then - RELIGION - rips off your hard earned income for some phoney cause or other to gratify their "churchy" desires. Look at WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD+.  Those cults are full of (from private email) guys and women who like to "pleasure with the same sex." Wife swapping has been joked about.  This is a normal procedure in the "upper class."  Let's us use their - the religious ones - whose congregations give their religious bucks for their pleasure - let's give it to the religious elite, so they can hanky-panky anyway they choose?   Whose gonna bitch anyway?  That's disloyalty.

To the religious preachers?   Why not?  And those cultmasters will laugh all the way to the bank.  Which is worst?  Homosexuality?  Of which I don't and cannot from my heterosexual male's point of view (as I said) - understand - but will NOT condemn..  But neither is the stealing of a person's personal life and one third of their income more "righteous" than the way a person's DNA is produced?

The cultmasters will take all your money and destroy your lives, they'll ruin your future, yet they'll condemn another lifestyle that they do NOT understand - or haven't bothered to investigate..

My personality is straight.  So is that of my wife.  That's why we've had so much fun together for going on  nearly 40 years.  We've also had offspring, from which there's been off-offspring.  God forbid - what grandkids will do  . . . . sometimes.  I can invariably predict what they'll do.  Ok, call me the prophet Ezekiel.  I look at the past, and - sure as hell - I can predict the future.  I KNEW what a terror and horror that I was.  No wonder my parents were always so flustered.  The genes are there.  My genes.  I've learned.  So, I know what a horror I musta been to my late mom and dad.  I KNOW what terrors our kids were..(But - we adore them, and wouldn't have them any  other way). 

My late mom and dad always reminded me.  God must have loved me more than anyone else.  How I lived to be 64 years - and the incredible stupid risks (over the years) that I've taken (you don't wanna know all the details) - what happened when my wife found out some of the things that I've done - she always said: (when I couraged up the guts to tell her - much LATER) -  she screamed: "You did WHAT??  That's why I never tell her (in advance)  when I'm gonna to something crazy.  Later, I get eaten.    I'm still loved, however, but she thinks I'm just an "ink" crazier (and a lot more) than the normal guy.  The conflict is much better lately.  We still consistently cuddle. God (or whatever) must be grateful that I'm still alive at all.  I'm still writing. 

IF I had've confessed before-time, then maybe I'd would go skydiving (swooping down and laughing my head off (I have the tape), as  I dropped at 120+ mph (from the usual 13,000 ft)  and feeling that blasting wind - lots and lotsa wind), across the Mexican boarder, etc.- she's never have bought the idea.  She mighta come unglued.  This something I had to do myself.  My decision.   There was NO way I coulda told her in advance.  Since I'm, loosing my hair, the intense blast of the air charge wasn't such much of a loser.  My hair would've  fallen out anyhow.  In time.  Trust me, it's a helluva rush to drop outa the heavens. Watch that ground.  Nice trees.  Good hills.  Lotta green and brown.  It didn't look to be coming closer any faster.  Seemed slow.  But it was coming  . . . . at over 120 mph.  Hmmmmm?  Was I scared?  You bet. 

After the canopy finally opened, and I was yanked to a slowdown, with a wallop,  from my groin to my shoulders.  And there was silence.  I was so forever thankful that I'd placed those groin straps accurately.  But there I was. I was hanging and swinging (totally floppy flaps and stuff),  and swaying in the heavens (playing with those loopy toggles - you know, those metal loops that hang down beside you.  They control the direction and stalling.  Actually, you're NOT really in a parachute (like the WW2 version, but nowadays, the parachutes are actually an inflatable flying wing.  That's why it's square (like an aerofoil shaped wing) with holes in the front, so the air can forcibly, be shot in, inflate the whole canopy, turn it into a bulbous wing, and then you can fly your way home).  You're actually at the controls of an air inflated glider.  The only thing that I could see dangling below me was my grungy Rebooks and, 3000 feet below that, was a lot of very, very hard, brown, desert ground.  If you (mistakenly - because of a mishap) hit hard, you become a predictable mess.  Gentile meat?????  At least, in the heavens, it was peaceful.. And the air really smelled better.   There was peace up there.  You know something?  It's another world. You dangle.  You're at the mercy of those straps.  You are at the mercy of your chute straps.  It's a defenseless feeling.  (You're thinking:  "Were these straps made by the lowest bidder?)  Naturally, you have a backup shoot, but who wants to land at 20 mph? 

You may live, but - what the hell?  Up there, under normal circumstances, you're at the mercy of physics, and your mind.   When the canopy shoots open, you say a prayer of thanks - to wherever it went.  But floating up there, it was a feeling of something that smelled like "God."  For a couple of thousand feet, there was a lot of calm  in my life.  But the inevitable crash (or splat) never came to be.  The landing was smooth.  Maybe I was just a little different.  I toggled and pulled down correctly, and floated into the hard and the brown - with my shoes brushing some green lil'bushes  scattered all over the place.  It must have been "God" that brought me home.  Anyhow, this is being a lot better than a deadbeat WCG+ waxwork.  Soft landing.

I wonder what dead Apostle Herbie would have thot.  He would have undoubtedly erupted, as usual.   "What," God's anointed would have screamed (flapping his jowls), "one of my 'ministers' falling - throwing himself out of a plane.  That's NOT in the Bible."  Maybe someone should have thrown THAT PARTICULAR bastard out of the twin carrier, like we had.  We were at 13,000 ft,  But  pitched that SOB WITHOUT a parachute.  I never told anyone until it was over, and I was back home.  If I were He/She/IT, It never let me go "Thunk.."  My wife's thinking about it.  After almost 40 years, she still can't figure me out.  Come to think of it - neither can I.

Is this the normal personality of an ex-Worldwide Church of God minister?  Maybe that's why they didn't like me too much?  Too weird?????????  If only they knew what some of the (naturally - legal and moral) stuff that I was involved in  . . . . . . . . . 

But, back to gays.  They think differently.  They feel differently.  But if they mind their business, then, I'll mind mine.  You do your thing, because I CANNOT  change your way of thinking, but stay outa my life.  They're different.  Even though we don't agree, we need to respect each others point of view.  And even if they're different, we should respect that difference, even if we don't agree.  To have peace in the world, we must all agree to disagree.  And love our fellow man.

Most strait kids are different.  Their starting into their teens, and they need to lubricate their necks every time a pretty girl goes by.  So?  That's always nice, and that will eventually mean grandkids (ours are the best grandkids in the world), because the best thing about being grandparents is when your grandkids start to piddle, you can always scream  - yes:  "MOTHER, GET YOUR KID."  It ain't my problem anymore.  Let 'em dry off their own offspring.  That's why  I love grandkids.  But, usually, I have to change (or blow dry) my pants, after an incident.  That's the bitchy part.

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